WOW!
Look who's back - The Son of Sam Conspiracy board/forum!
I've visited this site randomly, from time to time, to view some of the GREAT articles still posted on it and I would click on the old "Forum" button to see if anything would happen. I was SHOCKED when I clicked on it tonight and PRESTO it appeared or should I say "REAPPEARED"!
WELCOME BACK!
I even forgot my password to post and had to request a reset. I saw some of my old posts from a few years ago were still there. When I finally got the reset password set up, it said I hadn't been on the Forum since HALLOWEEN 2018! WOW!
A lot certainly has happened in the Son of Sam communities since then!
Too bad the forum didn't get back up and running until recently. It would have been great if it had been active at the beginning of this year, before the Josh Zeman Netflix series ran. It seems other Son of Sam venues picked up activity off of that and had generated interest and discussions. I've been posting frequently on another Son of Sam chat site (Zodiac Hoax) that popped up after this forum went down, but it seems things have slowed down there after the Netflix push and a lack of participants for a variety of reasons.
I even saw a brief screen shot of the home page of this Son of Sam Conspiracy web site shown in the 2017 Investigation Discovery SOS documentary "Son of Sam - The Hunt For A Killer". It was in one of the deleted sequences of the show on the cult aspects, but it was there!
Anyways, it's good to see the forum back (AGAIN!). I hope it generates some interest and participation this time around (I'll be here if there is participation!). I think there is a void to be filled with a legitimate Son of Sam public forum/message board that is easy to find and access.
Like the old saying goes "Better late than never!"
Again, "WELCOME BACK!"
HOLY S***!
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Hey Omega - ‘tomfromqueens’ (from Zodiac forum) here. I also stumbled on this discovery a few days ago, don’t know what to think, as this forum has been closed down a few times now. It almost feels like a pure accident that it’s back up. Not getting hopes up, and chatter has died down completely in general since the Netflix special and book releases pumped up the SOS crowd. I’m not on social media, so not sure if the Facebook group has been more active. Last couple months all I’ve really done is watch a few of Manny Grossman’s walk & talk videos, which have been informative. Hopefully there will be more to talk about soon.
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Now, there's a familiar name from the past...AND PRESENT! Hi Tom!
I've seen your postings over on Zodiac Hoax, but didn't know you were the same one as "tomb567" from here. I don't know if your middle initial is a "B" and your handle name here is base on that "Tom B", but "TOMB" seems a more appropriate name for a Son of Sam site!
Yes, it's good to see this Son of Sam Conspiracy board back, but I don't know if it's a temporary thing and/or it's too late to the party. It seems this is, at least, the third time that it has reappeared! Missing the Zeman Netflix series debut doesn't help either, but hopefully things can pick up.
I feel there is a need for a legitimate message board devoted to Son of Sam solely. I too, am not on Facebook, so all I know about the Maury Terry groups is what I see online in other places. It seems to have a devoted and informed group, but things sound a little out of control recently. Again, I'm hearing this third hand from other sources. Zodiac Hoax is OK, as a public forum, but it has too many other topics and doesn't attract a wide audience. Having the site named "Zodiac Hoax" would not seem to help attract people to discuss Son of Sam also. The Kidkenoma blog is interesting, but it can be a challenge to follow along since it is one long blog. Posters are anonymous with made up names and sometimes some informative nuggets get dropped. However, moderation should tighten up a bit to eliminate some of the nonsense that gets posted. Manny G.'s site on YouTube seemed to attract a wide audience before he went subscriber site. YouTube (non-pay) seems to generate a wide audience and participation, but it's one long running comments sections that doesn't separate by topic.
I guess an ideal message site, to discuss Son of Sam, would be a traditionally structured message board like here, devoted only to Son of Sam discussions, with the knowledge of the long time Maury Terry Facebook group posters (and Kidkenoma posters, without the nonsense) and the high participation of a YouTube site. I know, a pipe dream. But, one can hope and dream!
Good to see you here...and ELSEWHERE, Tom!
I've seen your postings over on Zodiac Hoax, but didn't know you were the same one as "tomb567" from here. I don't know if your middle initial is a "B" and your handle name here is base on that "Tom B", but "TOMB" seems a more appropriate name for a Son of Sam site!
Yes, it's good to see this Son of Sam Conspiracy board back, but I don't know if it's a temporary thing and/or it's too late to the party. It seems this is, at least, the third time that it has reappeared! Missing the Zeman Netflix series debut doesn't help either, but hopefully things can pick up.
I feel there is a need for a legitimate message board devoted to Son of Sam solely. I too, am not on Facebook, so all I know about the Maury Terry groups is what I see online in other places. It seems to have a devoted and informed group, but things sound a little out of control recently. Again, I'm hearing this third hand from other sources. Zodiac Hoax is OK, as a public forum, but it has too many other topics and doesn't attract a wide audience. Having the site named "Zodiac Hoax" would not seem to help attract people to discuss Son of Sam also. The Kidkenoma blog is interesting, but it can be a challenge to follow along since it is one long blog. Posters are anonymous with made up names and sometimes some informative nuggets get dropped. However, moderation should tighten up a bit to eliminate some of the nonsense that gets posted. Manny G.'s site on YouTube seemed to attract a wide audience before he went subscriber site. YouTube (non-pay) seems to generate a wide audience and participation, but it's one long running comments sections that doesn't separate by topic.
I guess an ideal message site, to discuss Son of Sam, would be a traditionally structured message board like here, devoted only to Son of Sam discussions, with the knowledge of the long time Maury Terry Facebook group posters (and Kidkenoma posters, without the nonsense) and the high participation of a YouTube site. I know, a pipe dream. But, one can hope and dream!
Good to see you here...and ELSEWHERE, Tom!
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Hi folks! It’s great to see you posting again. I am very sorry for the years it’s been down. What basically happened was I had went to update the board software and the update got corrupted which disabled the whole site. I am not very savvy with manual changes on the back end. I would check in from time to time and was finally able to get it back. I promise this will stay up for good this time. We need a collective space where people who are not on social media can search and document this case. An archive of information if you will. I am also in the son of Sam board on Facebook but it’s very hard to navigate older topics there. I’m hoping more people will join us here. Again glad to be back with you folks. Let’s get back on the road!
Jay
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Jay
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Hey Jay, thanks for the update, good to hear it’s no fluke, we’re back in business!
Omega, you make a good point, I probably should have stuck with the same user ID on both forums. Yes, the level of chatter has really fallen off, seems the core group of researchers are off doing their own thing, or maybe things are just quiet over the summer because of vacations, staycations, whatever the case may be.
As for Manny, I’m not sure yet if i’ll continue on the new platform he’s changing to. I still have some catching up to do with what’s already on YouTube. But he’s come up with some really good nuggets of information. The Brother John revelations about the Karen Wahlstrom murder in particular blew my mind. The bodies dug up near the doctor’s house, and the dark history of Yonkers in general offer lots of compelling stories.
One thing on the Zodiac forum that hasn’t been talked about - Admin. Horan mentioned that he would be producing a segment on the Craig Glassman / Shayna Glassman / Berkowitz thing back in mid-July. Any idea if that’s available, and how it can be accessed? Horan promoted it before the fact but hasn’t said anything about it since. The Westchester newspaper article covering Glassman’s auto accident death didn’t seem to dissuade Horan, and he more or less doubled down on his belief that Glassman is alive and well, and his daughter is a go-between for him and Berkowitz. But to what end? Why fake ones own death in 1991, more than a decade after Berkowitz’ incarceration? It was suggested that it may have been done as a promotional stunt to help sales of his book, but that book came out in 1980, not 1990 as the CBS article stated.
Omega, you make a good point, I probably should have stuck with the same user ID on both forums. Yes, the level of chatter has really fallen off, seems the core group of researchers are off doing their own thing, or maybe things are just quiet over the summer because of vacations, staycations, whatever the case may be.
As for Manny, I’m not sure yet if i’ll continue on the new platform he’s changing to. I still have some catching up to do with what’s already on YouTube. But he’s come up with some really good nuggets of information. The Brother John revelations about the Karen Wahlstrom murder in particular blew my mind. The bodies dug up near the doctor’s house, and the dark history of Yonkers in general offer lots of compelling stories.
One thing on the Zodiac forum that hasn’t been talked about - Admin. Horan mentioned that he would be producing a segment on the Craig Glassman / Shayna Glassman / Berkowitz thing back in mid-July. Any idea if that’s available, and how it can be accessed? Horan promoted it before the fact but hasn’t said anything about it since. The Westchester newspaper article covering Glassman’s auto accident death didn’t seem to dissuade Horan, and he more or less doubled down on his belief that Glassman is alive and well, and his daughter is a go-between for him and Berkowitz. But to what end? Why fake ones own death in 1991, more than a decade after Berkowitz’ incarceration? It was suggested that it may have been done as a promotional stunt to help sales of his book, but that book came out in 1980, not 1990 as the CBS article stated.
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Thanks Jay for not giving up on getting this message board rolling! (AGAIN!)
It's good to hear that this will be a permanent thing.
Like I mentioned earlier, when this forum went down the last time, I went over to the Zodiac Killer Hoax site which was just starting a Son of Sam section on the site (around early 2020). Even though there were limited participants (at it's height, about a dozen or so knowledgeable Son of Sam posters like Tom) I was able to engage in interesting discussions with these posters and was able to post over 200+ posts on a variety of Son of Sam topics, so there is hope that this site can grow if the right people are involved and interested.
I'll tell you, thank you for keeping that Wheat Carr Facebook/Yonkers group discussion up on the homepage. That generated a lot of conversation and interest.
Again, thanks for not giving up on this and looking forward to participating, hopefully, if the interest is there.
It's good to hear that this will be a permanent thing.
Like I mentioned earlier, when this forum went down the last time, I went over to the Zodiac Killer Hoax site which was just starting a Son of Sam section on the site (around early 2020). Even though there were limited participants (at it's height, about a dozen or so knowledgeable Son of Sam posters like Tom) I was able to engage in interesting discussions with these posters and was able to post over 200+ posts on a variety of Son of Sam topics, so there is hope that this site can grow if the right people are involved and interested.
I'll tell you, thank you for keeping that Wheat Carr Facebook/Yonkers group discussion up on the homepage. That generated a lot of conversation and interest.
Again, thanks for not giving up on this and looking forward to participating, hopefully, if the interest is there.
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Tom, Professor did a YouTube video a couple of weeks ago on Glassman. It can be found here:tomb567 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 11:11 pm
One thing on the Zodiac forum that hasn’t been talked about - Admin. Horan mentioned that he would be producing a segment on the Craig Glassman / Shayna Glassman / Berkowitz thing back in mid-July. Any idea if that’s available, and how it can be accessed? Horan promoted it before the fact but hasn’t said anything about it since. The Westchester newspaper article covering Glassman’s auto accident death didn’t seem to dissuade Horan, and he more or less doubled down on his belief that Glassman is alive and well, and his daughter is a go-between for him and Berkowitz. But to what end? Why fake ones own death in 1991, more than a decade after Berkowitz’ incarceration? It was suggested that it may have been done as a promotional stunt to help sales of his book, but that book came out in 1980, not 1990 as the CBS article stated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlPpSEYIOcU
You probably saw on the site (Zodiac) when someone claiming to be Shayna Glassman (user i.d. "craigglassmanskid") came on and made one and only one post. Horan has been challenging her to provide a death certificate, but it has fallen on deaf ears.
I believe Glassman did die in that 1991 November 1st accident on the Taconic and that he is not alive in Florida, like Horan is claiming. But, it is kind of strange that Shayna hasn't replied to him (if it is her) and also her visits to Berkowitz. She also claims she is currently writing a book, so $$$ are never far off as the answer!
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Thanks for the link, just finished watching. I agree the mugshot that Horan posted on the Zodiac forum wasn’t entirely convincing, and the similarity in eyeglass frames doesn’t really clinch anything, but THH’s comments about the extensive content of the news article so close to the time of the alleged death is curious, and Shayna’s silence in the face of pointed questions is also very compelling. When THH goes on to contend that Michael Carr’s death was also faked, and the potential ramifications of the local Westchester papers being the only news sources that broke these stories, it really gets my head spinning again. I’m not ready to join the camp that’s alleging Maury Terry was not on the level, but if it can be demonstrated that Michael Carr is still alive (as well as John, that’s also been claimed), one has to at least consider that much of what we think we know about the case may be wrong. I just can’t fit the pieces into another version of the story. If the goal was to help the Carr brothers evade prosecution and establish new identities by floating fake stories of their demises, wouldn’t it have been so much easier to just let Berkowitz rot in prison and never write a book in the first place? NYPD had no interest in looking at anyone else once they arrested DB and got the conviction.
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Sort of like a "Son of Sam" Witness Protection Program?
I guess if someone wants to devote the time and do more of a deep dive, there are legit sources in place to start off with to prove (or disprove) things.
Even though The Professor is claiming that Glassman's name being in the Social Security Death Index database is something done for benefits purposes and anyone can be put into it, I find it that the government would be interested if fraud was being committed, if someone is claiming to be dead and isn't, and is going through the motions to document a fake death through an official site.
Glassman is in the SS Death database as "C R Glassman" ("Robert" being his middle name). It would take some digging and most of the time would be on hold on the phone waiting for someone at Social Security to pick up, but it would be a start for someone to look into and get answers as to confirm if a name could be put into the death database with no proof of death and would they pursue if someone was trying to fake it or commit fraud of some kind. Again, it would require patience and tenacity if someone wanted to go down that road.
As far as the Carr brothers deaths, my guess is to start off with the cemetery system and try and see if there are ways to confirm if at least bodies with those names are buried. The cemetery that Manny G. did his Carr grave site video is St. Mary's in Yonkers. The grave he showed was a Carr namesake and had Sam Carr's mother and father buried in it. Sam is supposedly buried in that grave unmarked for some reason (maybe they knew the internet was coming in the future and it would attract attention!)
When Manny did the video a few months back, there was speculation that both Michael and John were also buried in that grave unmarked. However, according to the "Find A Grave" website, it now looks like Michael and John may be buried in another plot not far from the other Carr grave. I guess the Netflix series and Manny's video got some people to look into things more.
There was originally different information on "Find A Grave" when Manny shot the video - Michael was listed in St. Mary's but no specific grave location. John was not listed at all. Now, it seems some people have updated that both John and Michael are in a different grave. A "Sebastian Ojeda" has posted a picture of a grave site at St. Mary's where John and Michael are supposedly. The headstone is missing from the grave and I guess a "Henry Hamilton" is also in that grave. Another person with just initials "ML" has posted some photos that are the classic John and Michael pictures out there and also added some Netflix screenshots of obituaries. These were added this year after the Netflix series and Manny's video. I guess anyone can add anything to "Find A Grave" if they wish. Sort of the Wikipedia version of cemetery information!
I guess it would be a start if someone had the time and was interested in pursuing. Start off with legit sources (Social Security, cemetery, etc.) that have info and try to confirm if accurate or other.
I guess if someone wants to devote the time and do more of a deep dive, there are legit sources in place to start off with to prove (or disprove) things.
Even though The Professor is claiming that Glassman's name being in the Social Security Death Index database is something done for benefits purposes and anyone can be put into it, I find it that the government would be interested if fraud was being committed, if someone is claiming to be dead and isn't, and is going through the motions to document a fake death through an official site.
Glassman is in the SS Death database as "C R Glassman" ("Robert" being his middle name). It would take some digging and most of the time would be on hold on the phone waiting for someone at Social Security to pick up, but it would be a start for someone to look into and get answers as to confirm if a name could be put into the death database with no proof of death and would they pursue if someone was trying to fake it or commit fraud of some kind. Again, it would require patience and tenacity if someone wanted to go down that road.
As far as the Carr brothers deaths, my guess is to start off with the cemetery system and try and see if there are ways to confirm if at least bodies with those names are buried. The cemetery that Manny G. did his Carr grave site video is St. Mary's in Yonkers. The grave he showed was a Carr namesake and had Sam Carr's mother and father buried in it. Sam is supposedly buried in that grave unmarked for some reason (maybe they knew the internet was coming in the future and it would attract attention!)
When Manny did the video a few months back, there was speculation that both Michael and John were also buried in that grave unmarked. However, according to the "Find A Grave" website, it now looks like Michael and John may be buried in another plot not far from the other Carr grave. I guess the Netflix series and Manny's video got some people to look into things more.
There was originally different information on "Find A Grave" when Manny shot the video - Michael was listed in St. Mary's but no specific grave location. John was not listed at all. Now, it seems some people have updated that both John and Michael are in a different grave. A "Sebastian Ojeda" has posted a picture of a grave site at St. Mary's where John and Michael are supposedly. The headstone is missing from the grave and I guess a "Henry Hamilton" is also in that grave. Another person with just initials "ML" has posted some photos that are the classic John and Michael pictures out there and also added some Netflix screenshots of obituaries. These were added this year after the Netflix series and Manny's video. I guess anyone can add anything to "Find A Grave" if they wish. Sort of the Wikipedia version of cemetery information!
I guess it would be a start if someone had the time and was interested in pursuing. Start off with legit sources (Social Security, cemetery, etc.) that have info and try to confirm if accurate or other.
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Omega - not sure if locating gravesites could lead to anything more than confirming existence of corpses, neither of which would necessarily be the real McCoy. Unless a DNA comparison could be done. And who is likely the only person who could provide comparison samples? Wheat Carr? Don’t see that happening...
I’d love to see pics of the alleged ‘relocated’ Carr brothers, wherever they are believed to be living, like the Craig Glassman mugshot that Prof Horan found. With everything that’s been claimed about them, the two primary coconspirator suspects whose identities have been confirmed by name because they are dead and thus cannot retaliate, imagine if they could be tracked down, and if authorities really wanted to unravel the entire conspiracy and the cabal behind it. Of course I realize that last part is fantasy...
I’d love to see pics of the alleged ‘relocated’ Carr brothers, wherever they are believed to be living, like the Craig Glassman mugshot that Prof Horan found. With everything that’s been claimed about them, the two primary coconspirator suspects whose identities have been confirmed by name because they are dead and thus cannot retaliate, imagine if they could be tracked down, and if authorities really wanted to unravel the entire conspiracy and the cabal behind it. Of course I realize that last part is fantasy...